edameh 10 Posted January 19 I see this issue has been going on since shortly after server launched and I see no resolution has been applied yet - making it stronger and such doesn't really fix it as then it makes it impossible for new players and doesn't stop those with like 30+rr alts. This is really the main income source for new comers to catch up by ACTIVELY hunting for it and not some guy with 4 alts or so just sitting there and taking most of it. Everywhere you go, no matter what time, you see Lorencia, Noria, and Devias full of these afk farmers (every map probably have like 10+ of these guys just at different spots) no matter what time of day. Why this a big issue? It only encourage people to make more alt accounts and leave it at maps to farm - which makes it impossible for new comers to come and participate. And these farmers literally are on the SAME spot for DAYS. Everyone who think this is fine is obviously benefiting from it (they are the farmers themselves). Possible solution is first and foremost, NOT making it stronger (we need it to be beginner friendly) and instead, remove auto play from these maps - that also means make it so raven and any other pets/char that auto attacks doesn't attack in these maps automatically. Make people actually actively participate to get these rewards, not sit there and get it all. This is a major issue and should be taken more seriously. 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shade 131 Posted January 19 Agreed, although not sure about disabling helper, this could be frustrating when doing hero resets etc. Admin could implement a rule that this is NOT allowed on specific maps or whatever. It's easy for us players to tell if someone is farming rabbits/chaos souls. Then we can report and player and all alts get banned. I know that is relying on players to report but people will do so. Sure it may create some extra work initially but once a few people are banned for it most people will stop. Only the stupid will continue to do it (and then receive a ban once reported). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gucci 72 Posted January 19 Good morning Guys! 6 hours ago, edameh said: I see this issue has been going on since shortly after server launched and I see no resolution has been applied yet - making it stronger and such doesn't really fix it as then it makes it impossible for new players and doesn't stop those with like 30+rr alts. This is really the main income source for new comers to catch up by ACTIVELY hunting for it and not some guy with 4 alts or so just sitting there and taking most of it. This issue is here because we have Rabbits on this server which don't exist in most other servers. Therefore there are always going to be people taking advantage of that. 6 hours ago, edameh said: Possible solution is first and foremost, NOT making it stronger (we need it to be beginner friendly) and instead, remove auto play from these maps - that also means make it so raven and any other pets/char that auto attacks doesn't attack in these maps automatically. Make people actually actively participate to get these rewards, not sit there and get it all. This isn't the worst idea, but just like Shade said, this will be very hard for when you're making your Last reset. You have to stay in those beginning maps for an hour or 2 sometimes. 1 hour ago, Shade said: Admin could implement a rule that this is NOT allowed on specific maps or whatever. It's easy for us players to tell if someone is farming rabbits/chaos souls. Then we can report and player and all alts get banned. I know that is relying on players to report but people will do so. Sure it may create some extra work initially but once a few people are banned for it most people will stop. Only the stupid will continue to do it (and then receive a ban once reported). This rule already exist. Many people have already been banned for this and will continue to get banned. Arturs has been working hard on this. 1 Quote Discord Soundcloud Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shade 131 Posted January 19 46 minutes ago, Gucci said: Good morning Guys! This issue is here because we have Rabbits on this server which don't exist in most other servers. Therefore there are always going to be people taking advantage of that. This isn't the worst idea, but just like Shade said, this will be very hard for when you're making your Last reset. You have to stay in those beginning maps for an hour or 2 sometimes. This rule already exist. Many people have already been banned for this and will continue to get banned. Arturs has been working hard on this. But it is literally the same characters in the same spots for quite a long time already. so not sure why they aren't banned already. If there was public announcement, it might be more effective. Anyway, all you have to do is walk through those maps and its a list of names to ban. Some of them even have similar names to their main char ^^ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gucci 72 Posted January 19 16 minutes ago, Shade said: But it is literally the same characters in the same spots for quite a long time already. so not sure why they aren't banned already. If there was public announcement, it might be more effective. Anyway, all you have to do is walk through those maps and its a list of names to ban. Some of them even have similar names to their main char ^^ True, but isn't exactly fair for us to just guess by names. Also, we need people to report this. Most people don't. 1 Quote Discord Soundcloud Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shade 131 Posted January 19 13 minutes ago, Gucci said: True, but isn't exactly fair for us to just guess by names. Also, we need people to report this. Most people don't. For sure. I guess I meant earlier by a rule, as in it specifically states that gold rabbit farming is against the rules. Regardless of how many accounts you have. Then it would be easier to report and ban. Anyway, I guess it's no harm to discuss. Aside from that not sure how you would get rid of them. I get that it helps if people report these things, but such blatant abuse as this shouldn't need people to report IMO. Anyway, it is fun to hunt and pk them all xD 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orbitron 15 Posted January 19 increase the helpers cost up to 10.000.000 /2min, or more 2 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darkn3ss 4 Posted January 19 Maybe off helpers on this maps? Davias / Noria / Lorencia 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gelzis 22 Posted January 19 afk on devias is the only reasonable afk income of jewels atm. as its allowed to have 3 accounts active. you can choose what you do with your 3 accounts. farm gemstones, farm jewels, zen, whatever u want/need with your alts. if you just deny the afk jewel income, you force all players to use their active time to farm jewels, that sucks for many players and they won't want to do it. Then another afk way of getting jewels is needed, as it will affect the overall jewel economy very hard. We should better create new ways to get jewels with active farming, as currently they are very limited. I don't think that forcing all players to active farm rabbit invasion or these basic maps for regular rabbits as the only good jewel income is a good idea. I would personally hate that I have to actively farm jewels always. We need both ways of farming, similarly as its in Crywolf - you can fight for spots or do active farming. "Why this a big issue? It only encourage people to make more alt accounts and leave it at maps to farm - which makes it impossible for new comers to come and participate. And these farmers literally are on the SAME spot for DAYS." Kill them and take their spot with your own alt. and regarding new players can't get income - if you make this map only active farming, you will get just killed by players with better gear that are forced to active farm jewels, same it often happens on rabbit invasion. it might be worse potentially as its now from the new player perspective. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edameh 10 Posted January 19 1 hour ago, gelzis said: afk on devias is the only reasonable afk income of jewels atm. as its allowed to have 3 accounts active. you can choose what you do with your 3 accounts. farm gemstones, farm jewels, zen, whatever u want/need with your alts. if you just deny the afk jewel income, you force all players to use their active time to farm jewels, that sucks for many players and they won't want to do it. Then another afk way of getting jewels is needed, as it will affect the overall jewel economy very hard. We should better create new ways to get jewels with active farming, as currently they are very limited. I don't think that forcing all players to active farm rabbit invasion or these basic maps for regular rabbits as the only good jewel income is a good idea. I would personally hate that I have to actively farm jewels always. We need both ways of farming, similarly as its in Crywolf - you can fight for spots or do active farming. "Why this a big issue? It only encourage people to make more alt accounts and leave it at maps to farm - which makes it impossible for new comers to come and participate. And these farmers literally are on the SAME spot for DAYS." Kill them and take their spot with your own alt. and regarding new players can't get income - if you make this map only active farming, you will get just killed by players with better gear that are forced to active farm jewels, same it often happens on rabbit invasion. it might be worse potentially as its now from the new player perspective. Valid points, but if everyone is allowed 3 acc to afk farm, there's no way new comers will be able to compete. Imagine 200 players with 3 accounts all staying at a spot.. this is a big warning for new players as they'll just quit as they see them as all "bots". and discourage them to even play as they can't get jewels to advance. Also, as a new players, there's no way i can compete or even kill these afk alts. I tried but i barely do dmg or always miss. I do agree there should be another source of jewels to spread it out. As others stated, I do see that we can't disable auto play due to higher reset players getting barely any experience (I personally didn't think of that cause im still new so its easy exp). What is the process of reporting these players? Whatever the new solution is, it has to be fair for new players (not trying to be selfish here but without new players, server will die, period) and obviously it shouldn't be very impactful on existing players. Maybe new map that you can farm for jewels for higher players with certain conditions and limits. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Qpal 3 Posted January 19 Do you guys think that the admins/developer did not anticipate or even think about what you are all suggesting? They do! However, all private servers are franchised from webzen. Admins/developer have limitations implementing all your ideas. Editing, modifying and implementing new codes are way harder than you are thinking. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrcolt 1 Posted January 19 must do devias lorenci and noria PVP location 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Summie 2 Posted January 19 Hey everyone..its been arround 20days i am back to mu after 10years + although i was playing other rpg at a top level..all i can say is..there is always a way to overcome difficulties..as i can speak for myself i dont mind for those afk chars farming there...i am still able to farm rabbits and goldens to lorencia and noria..if u try devias thats another story :P w8ting to get strong enough to clear the map before invasions ^^ 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gelzis 22 Posted January 19 4 hours ago, edameh said: Also, as a new players, there's no way i can compete or even kill these afk alts. I tried but i barely do dmg or always miss. I do agree there should be another source of jewels to spread it out. It will take time to get there. On maps where top players do afk like ashy aida, red icarus, you will get killed anyway a lot and it often takes some fighting to get a spot, etc. So its kinda ok that new players can't get there yet. If you can't kill afks on low lvl maps, you need to get more resets, for that you don't specifically need a very high lvl gear. Quote Whatever the new solution is, it has to be fair for new players (not trying to be selfish here but without new players, server will die, period) and obviously it shouldn't be very impactful on existing players. Maybe new map that you can farm for jewels for higher players with certain conditions and limits. The thing is that each server has its lifecycle and joining server when its 2 month old will always be difficult, if you don't get a good head start from existing players joining some good guild or something. I doubt its possible to optimize a server in a way when joining late will still get you a good playing experience, when everyone is so far ahead and even most players alts can kill you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-Miron- 33 Posted January 19 13 hours ago, Gucci said: This isn't the worst idea, but just like Shade said, this will be very hard for when you're making your Last reset. You have to stay in those beginning maps for an hour or 2 sometimes. There is a possibility to reduce the movement level for location like dungeon/atlans. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Positive 272 Posted January 20 11 hours ago, -Miron- said: There is a possibility to reduce the movement level for location like dungeon/atlans. I believe that min level for those maps is for a reason. Quote Positive Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-Miron- 33 Posted January 20 11 hours ago, Positive said: I believe that min level for those maps is for a reason. Everything is there for a reason, but solution is needed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rooyoo 3 Posted January 20 Brothers and sisters, Mu Online is about AFK..If you need to grind and be constantly online, there are other games.Playing after work for 3-4 hours, we want to see a change, to see that somewhere we are becoming stronger... look like BC there is DS to raise the res level.... and not kick rabbits for 3-4 hours.Throughout the week, and at the end of the week try to sharpen one item (at +9 +Luck and it burns 8-9 times) or pour everything into the wing boiler.. For active players there should be activity events, where guaranteed prizes for participation or winning will be stones, like BC 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arthur 1,846 Posted January 23 Brief answers Turn off MU helper - 100% no. I'm a new player trying to activate helper. It's not works? Really? Close the game. PvP location - no. This will bring massacre to the map. I'm a new player, but I will be killed, because everyone on this map is "Farmer" I've sent a suggestion to the IGCN, to give ability to "block" pickup of specific drops from MU helper on specific maps. This is the best possible way currently. Plus, adding an alternative way of farming jewels and zen. Not all guys in the low tier maps are farmers in the end. You just didn't know what happens here when we don't have limitations, non-pvp LT and TOCA in the zen lottery... 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites