noywk1991

@Arturs any update on this subject? its quite silly that Wrath main GL buff isnt worth using at all.. and is a negative effect bigger than possitive. ?

ignorant admin

@Arturs any update?

so when are we expected to see some changes and improvements? we acknowledge that GL have nice AOE now .. but many other classes are way tankier doing same or more dmg per line hitting 3 times faster at range (GL still need to use shining peak 3range for actually doing pvp dmg) and with no drawback of having 0 def from Wrath some of them also have TP .

100% yes GL have nice AOE skill now which is admittedly good for CS, but the new long range skills have very low DMG about 20-30% less DPS than the close Range Shining peak.. and even Shining peak DMG is considerably lower than many other classes such as SM / Kundun/summoner/ and more.. whom are longer range faster and do not have the drawback of -50% defense from Wrath which is extremely punishing and isnt even worth using outside of PVE because with -50% def you are just getting nuked and die instantly in PVP.. so using shining peak 2-3 range is unrealistic. additionally the total DMG from Wrath including lvl 10 ML is only somewhere between 10-15% total dmg which can never justify the -50% defense even in group and CS because even your energy elf defense buff gets halved.. the class is nice and shiny now with big aoe but dmg is just not there.. . and its more squishy than other classes! admin should decide his direction with GL.. and chose where he want to go... is it a good all around class that doesnt have op dmg nor op def but is good at both meaning being decent defense and decent dmg nothing crazy.. ? or do admin wants to go into the high risk high reward style? with low def (50% less def from wrath) and big mind blowing dmg? right now it has no defensive and the dmg is also not there.. ... here are my suggestions . 1: undo speed nerf on GL cause its slow animation no need to nerf speed.. so increase speed back up for comfort and dmg 2: either remove the -50% def on Wrath skill to reach an all around class.. or greatly increase the DMG gained from Wrath skill to outweight the drawback.. by removing the - def % admin make GL a medium at everything well rounded class with decent defense and mid dmg . by greatly increasing the DMG gained from Wrath while keeping the drawback of -50% def admin not only make Wrath more attractive to use and useable.. so players will actually use it.. but he also give GL the direction of high risk high reward with very low def but with very good dmg when using Wrath ! thank you and i hope it will be done and improved @Arturs

for weapon mux weapon is always the goal 🙂 for set ... either grade 120 amor +15 or with the recent changes ruud set should be attractive enough offering alot of dmg while still looking like decent DD

it means that.. in order to keep the attack speed in check admin will have to reduce the limit of attack speed set for MG (attack speed cap) and while doing this might in theory fix the problem for havok spear skill its self it will be a direct unintended nerf to any other MG build/skill imagine now MG speed will be reduced down to 100 speed at max to counter the high attack speed of this speed.. what will be the effect on str MG? if he could (and im not saying he can i dont know if its even possible) but if he could set different attack speed limit for each skill (unlikely) then it would be easier

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as GL my self 🙂 i dont think GL is weak at all.. but it is clunky, AG drain is major complain about GL but its only useable when building full tank.. maybe admin can consider nerf ag drain for people to stop complain and in return buff other sides of GL.. for example make wrath duration longer and remove CD, and do same for Burst buff in ML aswell as increasing range because the 2-3 range is very buggy ... but GL isnt weak but the main problem is you need to max agi+str to max your dmg potential but this leaves you with like 6k vit only? (if you max quest and buy 2k stats from web)

energy MG is sadly weak right now. in sega no one play it.. everyone playing str MG becuse its way stronger. maybe that will change in future

im 80% sure sega/angel have very similar balance setting.. the main difference might be that sega have socket set enabled and angel socket is disabled.. tank GL will have 0 dmg without socket becuse main dmg of this build is from reflect coming from socket. but str+agi GL have very good dmg regardless MG is also S tier as you saw it has 1 of the highest dmg of all classes and it require mainly str for dmg.. that leaves plenty of stats for vit.. its not as tanky as RF (my own personal opinion ) but it has more speed than RF making it perhaps better dmps.. you can not go wrong with MG or RF at the moment.. RF items are generally cheaper (usually?) because its less played class than MG for some reason. but both MG/RF are plenty strong and viable to be among the top pvp right now.. keep in mind maybe there be changes in the future

i actually play only in sega.. so i have 0 option about prime/angel.. but from what i hear angel have similar setting as sega prime also have alot more stats than sega.. which massively effect balance . ill speak about sega which is where i play .. RF is an amazing choice for late game. . in sega you have enough points to max 2 stats and RF main stats are str/vit. so you max out str and vit for dmg but also life.. other classes for example DL/GL cant max str + agi + vit or str + ene + vit. . if GL want big dmg you max agi+str but you have only 6k vit RF is amazing i wouldnt really bother with the list and stars about def/ dmg because its not accurate at all.. RF is actually 1 of the tankiest classes in sega.. because def = almost nothing here.. max vit = tank in sega.. and RF can max both vit and str and both are providing dmg.. giving RF amazing DMG and super tanky. very good class.. confession here.. i been trying to trade my GL items for RF items or buy RF items for web bons for some time now.. if i can change my GL into RF ill change ! and remember i put GL in the S tier like RF as one of the better classes to play in pvp 🙂

items are important. but theres is an undeniable gap between some classes.. that items can not make up for it. also assuming 2 classes both maxed out in items fight each other the better class will win. i think there are plenty of good classes as i mentioned in my own personal opinion based list. all S classes are available.. but Lemuria/elf/RW will never be able to fight the other classes

thats literally my own personal opinion and impression from the state of sega right now. if you have your own opinion state it.. no one given this dude any list for some days so i shared my own list and opinion based on sega. you are more than welcome to give your own list and make your own opinion. we have curse summoner almost maxed and he cant fight my GL or mattoni SM or finix BK or van RF or mass MG .. therefor in my honest opinion summoner is not good in sega. regardless of your " false " comment which doesnt even state any opinion list nor is helping the guy clearly is made as respond to me perhaps even to provoke or try prove me wrong instead of even helping the guy who asked help .. make a list based on your experience and opinion and help him 🙂 despite your comment as i said i think summoner is simply not equal to the above classes in pvp.. true enough its not as shitty as lemuria or elf or RW but it still cant fight the other classes so its not a class i would invest into for pvp.

SM/GL/RF/BK/kundun/MG/IK = S tier in sega 🙂 each have some drawbacks some pros if your goal is pvp you can not go wrong with these classes 🙂 slayer/DL is kinda A tier its ok.. but not strong like the classes i mentioned above the rest are kinda not worth playing DL is tank and its important in CS but the dmg is low slayer is ok dmg ok survive but its not good like for example GL/SM/RF/BK/Kundun at max gear. elf/summoner/gun/lemuria are waste of time in pvp.. elf is ok for buff. . GL = if max agi+str = good dmg very low hp but really good dmg.. but have very small range if max str + vit dmg is meh.. meh meh .. . but good hp still bad range.. but if using sockety good reflect ag drain buff is amazing in tank version SM: probably highest dmg good def because of barrier in solo.. good range and teleport but in my opinion if you give GL barrier from SM in party GL can be stronger.. but SM range is very good tp amazing MG= MG is actually very high dmg and decent def id say its like GL but without ag drain but more dmg and more range and aoe in return RF : high dmg and very tanky you max vit + str very strong 1v1 char BK: dont need to say much? kinda good all around class.. good hp good dmg but range is kinda bad like GL Kundun.. good in group pvp but not so good alone big aoe and dmg illusion knight seems solid all around good range good dmg good def

you play in sega? nope nor anymore atleast. also i kinda doubt you donate more than me.. (maybe in the long run with all servers you played here.. then possible) either way.. stream have negative effect on older servers and its a fact whatever you think it does or not. . and soon it will have on angel once the ratio between web bons and serv bons change

6500 web is a fact 🙂 based on your own numbers.. nah why would i even consider donate ? i know exactly what happening you are just trying to cover evertthing up with some bs so that you can continue get ahead but i wonder who will you fight when all leave? anyways enough have good day maybe you should go and try donate then and ill go stream? sounds fair to me

enough is enough.. you said yoiur self 650 per week is what you get x 2.5 months? thats 10 weeks thats 6500 web bons 🙂 you can turn it around however you want.. but we all know what you can buy in sega for 6500 web bons.

just moment ago in your own post you said you bought the wing 4 from web bons from stream now its not.. i see .. no point even continue say anything you said enough.. also i know who sold the wings if you remember. . anyways ill argue no more as it lead no where other than stress.. i basically quit already as we discussed yesterday you can turn it around all you want but the end result is streaming system kills sega because people other than ones who willing to donate 1-2k euro dont see any chance of fighting. they simply leave .

then show me my friend how you donate 50k ? i would loooooooovvveeeeee to see that 🙂 but now instead of false misleading claims that have nothing to do with the reality lets talk facts.. most people would normally donate between the 120-240 euro and thats it. and 240 euro is actually the drop in the ocean compared to stream bons 🙂 not the other way around.. but sure i want to see you donate 50k and i will shut up. show me how you do it and then everything is good also you are very wrong.. web bons does the oppsite effect as liqudity 🙂 allow me to explain so you can follow items mostly comes from lottery . . but now in sega no one use lottery because there are already alot of items to buy for web bons on market from heros who left the server.. if you give streamers alot of web bons and they buy items from heros for web bons.. they do not increase the amount of items on the market they reduce it.. because there was char/set for sale and it been sold now its not availabvle anymore? get it? if you want to increase liquidity you need to give streamers lottery coins.. they use lottery coins win muxes and FO weapoins but they dont need them.. what will they do? put them on the market for fair price for new players to buy.. see? there was no mux on the market and now there is one.. increase liquidity 🙂

lets talk facts here 1: who stream and play sega, you. mass , mattoni , Kanade used to in the start but it was less impact then as it is less impact in angl right now with that said lets also mention there that you mass and mattoni are only strong players in your guild (make sense considering you guys are streaming right? makes my point) ill go further and say .. aside from me and van who donated ALOOT more than the avrage donate you guys are also the only strong players in sega server (very much balanced system the stream right? dont give huge advantage at all) you say me.. but im not the "avrage donator" avrage donate come donate 120-240 euro? where does it gets him in compare to streamer ? nowhere he can put 240 euro and he will not be able to have a tiny chance against streamer. 2 : most of my things i did it by hunting alone and not by the bons.." allow me to correct you and clear the false impression you give here and put some facts wings 4 : web bons from stream earrings FO : web bons from stream fenrir : web bons from stream demon: web bons stream lyra : web bons from stream punishment : web bons from stream mux weapon: web.. stream also bought 10+k server bons with web bons from stream but it seems you forget about all that.. which allow you easily to buy all jewels tocas etocas and armor parts to make set conclusion ? you literally did not make anything not a single item by farming alone as you claim.. every single piece of gear that you own is directly or indirectly bought thought the stream web bons.. either directly by the web bons or converted to server bons at ratio higher than 1:2 . so the very least be honest about it. there many people who speak how you brag that you bought everything for free only from stream bons. 🙂 the fact is fact.. the streaming is harmful system for the older servers where there are items for sale for web bons and where ratio between web/serv bons is high. few of my guild want to quit because of that and some were about to donate to upgrade their items to +15 and now they dont want to do that becuase of that system. . so yes i can speak and say its harmful

Ofc i care, why did i bother invest 1-2k euro from my hard earned money on sega just so now literally every person who want to strean despite if he have any views at all gets to the same point or higher within a month of streaming. Already streamers in sega out bid anyone over paying for w/e cause its easy free bons 🙂 anyways enough is enough do w/e you guys think is right.

They stream on angel then use on sega where web bons and server bons are at ratio of 1:2.5 stream 1-2 months buy you maxed out char in sega. Continue stream and you can always out bid donator . .